Search ongoing for suspects in shooting

Officer in critical condition after three shots to chest

Family and friends console each other outside the emergency room at the University of Tennessee Medical Center on Tuesday while a Knoxville Police Department officer was being treated for gunshot wounds.

Photo by J. Miles Cary

Family and friends console each other outside the emergency room at the University of Tennessee Medical Center on Tuesday while a Knoxville Police Department officer was being treated for gunshot wounds.

Rickman

Rickman

KPD Spokesman Darrell DeBusk details the shooting

Scenes from the aftermath of Tuesday's shooting

Scenes from the aftermath of Tuesday's shooting

A routine burglar alarm call Tuesday ended with a veteran Knoxville police officer being shot for the second time in his career, eight black men being taken into custody and a community being sent into lockdown.

Authorities said the search continued late Tuesday night for the "two or three" men who shot Knoxville Police Department Officer Norman Rickman, a 19-year veteran, as he responded to the alarm call in Northwest Knoxville near the city limits.

Rickman, who'd been shot before in 2001, didn't have on a protective vest, police said. "It was his choice" whether to wear it, Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV said.

Rickman remained in critical condition after surgery at the University of Tennessee Medical Center.

Police hadn't charged any of the men detained in the shooting, said KPD spokesman Darrell DeBusk.

"There's no one that we have tied to this case at this point," DeBusk said. "We're still searching."

The trouble began at 2:55 p.m. when Rickman arrived at 6600 Rockbridge Lane and went to the back of the house. Two or three men climbed out of a window and shot at him, DeBusk said.

About three shots hit the 45-year-old officer in the upper body, DeBusk said. Neighbors ran to his aid, and officers arrived within minutes, police said.

Officer Bill Muhlfeld, trained as a cadet by Rickman two years ago, rode with him to the hospital. Rickman talked with him on the way, DeBusk said.

Officers surrounded a house about four hours later on Cougar Drive near Woods-Smith Road, less than a mile from the scene. They detained one man driving a white Ford Crown Victoria, along with another man nearby and two men who ran into the woods, DeBusk said.

Police found a jacket in the car "similar" to what witnesses described one of the shooters as wearing, he said.

"They have not been identified as suspects in this case yet," DeBusk said.

He said the arrests didn't amount to a wholesale roundup of black men.

"We have not picked up anyone who was not running from us or acting suspiciously," DeBusk said. "We had probable cause."

The president of the local NAACP chapter said he has his doubts.

"Whoever committed this crime definitely needs to be punished," said the Rev. Ezra Maize, pastor of First AME Zion Church. "But we are extremely curious as to what went wrong. Justice ought to take place, but I believe there is a process for bringing that justice about. Acting suspicious is not probable cause."

Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam said Rickman "was coherent" when he arrived at the University of Tennessee Medical Center at 3:44 p.m.

"He acknowledged knowing who was around him," the police chief said.

Rickman hit the emergency button on his radio after being shot, and police arrived almost immediately, DeBusk said. Officers from agencies including the Knox County Sheriff's Office, the Tennessee Highway Patrol, the FBI, the

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and law enforcement from other counties arrived soon afterward.

Shelia Sturgill, who lives next door to the house where Rickman was shot, said her husband, William, heard the gunshots.

"He was in our house," she said. "He looked out and saw the officer lying face down."

Her husband called E-911 while Tim Hall, a registered nurse who lives across the street, ran out to check the officer's wounds and provide first aid until an ambulance arrived, she said.

The ambulance ran into engine trouble after debris in the road bounced up and hit the radiator, according to Rural/Metro Ambulance Service. A backup ambulance met the crew and carried Rickman to the hospital.

David Jones, who lives near the scene of the shooting, said he heard the shots but didn't realize at first what they were.

"It sounded like a handful of firecrackers going off," he said. "But when I saw the men jump in the truck and drive off, I knew something was wrong."

Shaka Johnson said her brother Johnny Malone lives at the house and got home before the ambulance arrived for Rickman.

"He was at work," she said a couple hours afterward. "He's still really shook up."

Neighbors say they don't recall any history of break-ins in the area.

Authorities believe the gun used to shoot Rickman to be a small-caliber weapon, according to Knox County Sheriff Jimmy "J.J" Jones.

The men sped away in a gray Chevrolet Cavalier or a newer-model black pickup, DeBusk said.

Police described one of the shooters as a tall, black man with a thin build wearing a bomber-type jacket and baggy jeans. They didn't give detailed descriptions of the others.

Authorities asked that anyone who might have seen the men or a similar vehicle call E-911.

Matt Lakin may be reached at 865-342-6306. Jamie Satterfield and Jim Balloch contributed to this report.

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CountOnIt writes:

This guy from the NAACP always has to get in the middle of these incidents. His comments make absolutely no sense. When these guys get charged, what is he going to say.."They got set up". Does he really think the Police just went to this location for the heck of it, and arrested 8 black men.

I would like to see what he has to say about the young black male getting charged today with killing the sweet innocent grandomother of the same race.

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norrisr#264341 writes:

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BOHICA writes:

Perhaps the Rev. Ezra Maize should come to the aid of the community in a time like this as opposed to inciting controversy. Is it not in the best interest of the city to get dangerous individuals off the street at the risk of inconveniencing a couple individuals not willing to cooperate with authorities (aka: fleeing). I believe the best way to prove ones' innocence in a situation like this would be for the individuals detained to cooperate and assist law enforcement in apprehending the criminal(s) responsible for attempting to murder a police officer.

clickster writes:

in response to norrisr#264341:

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norrisr,maybe you would have a different opinion if it was one of your family members.stop being a jerk and pray for the man and his family if you know how!

Dbee1952 writes:

in response to norrisr#264341:

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Why did they run?

Did they have outstanding warrants, drugs on them selves or perhapses some thing to hide.

I am sure that blacks were profiled since the suspects were black.

Get a life and get off of your podium.

I suppose the scum bag that kill Mrs Atkins profiled her as an easy mark but why kill her.

When and if it comes home to you you will sing a different tune.

You will want the police to find the thugs that violated your world. Or would you blame the police for not doing enough to catch these thugs.

eandsphotography#652636 writes:

Acting suspicious IS probably cause. If they werent doing something they had no business doing then there shouldnt have been a problem with talking to the police.
One thing I do think is wrong though is that since this was a police officer that got shot every law enforcement department was involved. FBI,TBI,local and state. They even had helicopters involved in the search. This is all great because this scum needs to be found and justice served, but everyday, people are murdered and you dont see this use of resources when it's just an average citizen. Perhaps if there was more of a show of force in finding criminals,such as today, then it would deter them in commiting the crime in the first place.

CrankE writes:

Ezra Maize. His comments sound just like some of the imams' comments regarding 9/11/01. 'oh, that sure is terrible, but we need to make sure we take our time because Islam is a religion of peace.'

Looking suspicious isn't a crime. But after an officer has been shot, "looking suspicious" hinders the investigation. Instead of picking up the shooters quickly, they have to waste precious time sorting the wheat from the chaff. Thanks for encouraging all of that cooperation with the po-po Ezra. Jerk.

And say, Ezra, if these guys are so low down they'll shoot a cop, do you think they'll refrain from shooting you if it serves their purpose? For the good of all, those dudes need to be off the street.
_______________________

How many times would you have to be shot to get motivated enough to wear a bulletproof vest? Didn't he learn anything from his first shooting? I pray that Officer Rickman pulls through.

AirYaGoGitErDun writes:

You guys are so caught up in your bigotry, you ought to be asking what the "huggy - kissy" photo accompanying the article has to do with anything...

MomX3 writes:

If someone saw 3 white men running from the scene that is what would have been reported, hispanic and so on....our skin color shows guys, it's a fact.

Prayers to the family of the office who was trying to do his job...I'd be grateful if it were my home and a policeman responded quickly rather than waiting or not at all.

rk40977#297843 writes:

The reverend wants to know "what went wrong"? Some thugs shot a police officer. That needs explaining?

BOHICA writes:

in response to AirYaGoGitErDun:

You guys are so caught up in your bigotry, you ought to be asking what the "huggy - kissy" photo accompanying the article has to do with anything...

What does this picture have to do with my alleged bigotry? The only bigotry I have is directed toward people who make pointless posts. I would tell you to GO AWAY but KNS might ban me so please, just assume I said it!

Wirenut writes:

Everyone has to work for what they want out of life.Some would rather take than work.

tigernknox writes:

these people, whoever they are need to just turn themselves in now. it's bad enough that someone was shot, however shooting a police officer is the absolute worst. these people put their lives on the line everyday to protect us. i hope they are caught soon and brought to the fullest amount of justice. and best wishes to this officer's family for a speedy recovery.

floortops#658356 writes:

Best wishes Mr. Rickman.
Where was your vest?
As for the jerks who shot you, for some unknown reason they seem to have friends in the neighborhood that should be outraged this happened. Oh well, the more they talk the more we can see. Rev. Wright could not of said it better than these folks.
Hate the police, hate America, don't look too close to home for problems to fix, and blame everyone else for bad actions.
Bill Cosby must feel all alone when he talked about fixing things within the african-AMERICAN community by african-AMERICANS.

my3boys writes:

The "huggy - kissy" photo you are talking about is my cousin and the officer shot is our uncle. So it is not a "huggy-kissy" photo as you call it. It is my family pulling together in this terrible time. Please keep my uncle norman in your prayers.

dadsdarts#307333 writes:

Acting suspicious is probable cause. The eight that they took in for questioning all had warrants already on them. And as for the huggy kiss picture those were most likely Officer Rickman's Family.And most of those that were taken in ran from them on being approached.

mheisig writes:

The Rev. Maize proves why he's a reverend and has no business weighing in on legal matters.

The description of the shooters was 2-3 black males with various clothing and hair descriptors. If the police see back males with any/all of these descriptors in the vicinity, in vehicles matching the description of those seen leaving the scene as well as running from the police or acting suspicious, your DAMN right they've got probable cause to question them.

Nobody has been charged yet, the investigators are just questioning people who may be linked to the shooting.

Rev. Maize does the NAACP a great disservice and proves his remarkable ignorance of the situation by opening his mouth and spouting off about legal issues he clearly doesn't understand.

Perhaps Rev. Maize would feel better if, after the description of the shooters as three black males, the police went out and just started looking for anyone and ignored physical descriptors.

Recognizing an individual as being black, white, hispanic, etc. is not racist, it's recognizing an easily distinguishable physical trait that helps narrow down the search.

tnmonster#509999 writes:

Would the naacp leader have said a word if the shooters were white and 9 white men were rounded up for acting suspicious and running from officiers that simply wanted to speak to them! Probably not?

shoes writes:

This is no place for the NAACP to speak. If the perpetrators had been three white men, you wouldn't hear whites complaining that suspicious characters had been picked up. If the perpetrators had red hair, redheads wouldn't complain either.

Show a little judgment, Reverend. Kneejerk defense serves nobody well.

Thoughts and prayers to the officer and his family.

AirYaGoGitErDun writes:

So quick to juimp, so quick to hate...

The point was, duh, that the media just throws a photo out there with no explanation, who it is, etc...

salsa_shark writes:

Officer Rickman...I wish you a speedy and full recovery sir...thank you for your service.

-Salsa

colclaude writes:

in response to eandsphotography#652636:

Acting suspicious IS probably cause. If they werent doing something they had no business doing then there shouldnt have been a problem with talking to the police.
One thing I do think is wrong though is that since this was a police officer that got shot every law enforcement department was involved. FBI,TBI,local and state. They even had helicopters involved in the search. This is all great because this scum needs to be found and justice served, but everyday, people are murdered and you dont see this use of resources when it's just an average citizen. Perhaps if there was more of a show of force in finding criminals,such as today, then it would deter them in commiting the crime in the first place.

Dear eandsphotography I agree with You am a black male and I was coming home from taking care of my business and I ran into several cop cars on the way home I live in the woodsmith area and it did make me feel uncomfortable cause as a black male I just don't like cops to much they don't treat black males with the upmost respect. But my brother is a cop and I know they have a job to do, So acting suspicious is a dead give away. I didn't like the idea so many where in the area but i just went on about my business and I'm not a drug dealer and I don't break in to homes not all blacks who have problems with cops are crimals. Its just they have preyed on blacks for a long time. Heck everyone should know what its like to get accused of something that they didn't do at least once in their life, if so then you would know what it is like being a black male in america.

knoxville_born writes:

I wonder why we don't see this kind of response when an average citizen is shot.

cjensen writes:

The idea that there is something wrong with saying "the suspects were young black men", is wrong. It's not stereotyping or profiling.

It would be different if they report that the suspects were "acting like young black men"--then the Rev., NAACP, et al would have a point to raise. There is a difference. (506)

pragmatist writes:

I wish a quick recovery for this officer.

Who gives a sh$# what Ezra Maize has to say about execution of due process and why, KNS, give him a conduit to advance his agenda at the expense of officer shot on duty? This isn't about race, I'm quite sure the perps would have shot a black cop just the same. Oh, I see, perhaps the goal of this article was to further racism.

I really don't understand why an officer who has been shot before wouldn't be wearing a bullet proof vest during a robbery call??? I've seen cops wearing bullet proof vests in Weigel's, so what is the protocol?

cjensen writes:

knoxville_born...

The reason the response was not the same as for an average citizen was....it was not an average citizen. In general, the County Sheriff's office (at least the management side of it) is not my most popular outfit in Knox County, but its different for the patrol officers.

The average citizen may face true danger once or twice in their life--if ever. Whereas the officer may face potential danger once or twice a shift. Officers deserve to know that if anything that happens to them, that the entire local, state and federals forces will be all over it like stink-on-sh$t. It may be small comfort, but its something.

There is also the deterent effect. Anyone contemplating capping an officer will know in advance that they are going to get the full monty and that the pressure will be high-intensity on friends, family and associates until somebody rolls on the perp. Of course, deterence has a lesser effect on Stupid, but its about all we can do. (507)

mansfield6 writes:

in response to BOHICA:

What does this picture have to do with my alleged bigotry? The only bigotry I have is directed toward people who make pointless posts. I would tell you to GO AWAY but KNS might ban me so please, just assume I said it!

I agree with you. joel is so eager to call anyone and everyone a bigot he reads it into every post.

Kodzwallup writes:

in response to colclaude:

Dear eandsphotography I agree with You am a black male and I was coming home from taking care of my business and I ran into several cop cars on the way home I live in the woodsmith area and it did make me feel uncomfortable cause as a black male I just don't like cops to much they don't treat black males with the upmost respect. But my brother is a cop and I know they have a job to do, So acting suspicious is a dead give away. I didn't like the idea so many where in the area but i just went on about my business and I'm not a drug dealer and I don't break in to homes not all blacks who have problems with cops are crimals. Its just they have preyed on blacks for a long time. Heck everyone should know what its like to get accused of something that they didn't do at least once in their life, if so then you would know what it is like being a black male in america.

You are correct my friend in what you say. More young black men should act like you. If you have nothing to hide, and are doing nothing wrong,then act normally.
Lots of people feel uncomfortable around the police. Trust me, I do... The Black men they have were running and acting suspiciously, that is why they are being detained and questioned.
The NAACP and it's spokespeople should try to be more of a role model and ask the Black community to get involved, instead of always accusing the police of racist tactics.

artbaby1#222112 writes:

I’d like to know what acting suspicious looks like. This year, my 17 year old son was stopped by police while entering his high school. He was late getting to the band room to dress out before a foot ball game so he actually ran into the school. Oblivious to the police behind him he started running to the band room and the officer grabbed him and turned him around. Luckily for my son who was scared at this point, the band teacher intervened. Explanation: they were looking for a suspect and thought my son looked suspicious because he was running inside the school (his school, I might add). Did he fit the description, no. Not even close, but he was a black male and that’s what they were looking for. A round up of young black males should be a black mother’s worse nightmare. I know it was and continues to be for me.

colclaude writes:

in response to mainchannel don't get me wrong I know what you mean about if it was my home, and you know what you are right I don't know what I would have felt like. And that isn't the issue,the issue is that a crime was commited and the police are looking for the crimals. And if it had been a regular person who got shot we wouldn't have gotten this kind of response and that is the problem all those cops in a small area. If it would have been your child that got shot how much force do you think you would have seen. If it was your house that got broken into do you know what would have happened a report would have been done. If you were lucky the crime lab would have came out to check for finger prints if the perps where in the system it would have been forever before they would have been picked up unless they would have gotten picked up on another crime. Our system isn't the best by far. But they do take up for their own. I do not like crime And I wish the officers family my best wishes.

BayardDonahoo writes:

This article poses several interesting questions.

1. This officer was shot for the second time, and still he doesn't wear a vest. Why?

2. What percentage of our officers wear protective vests?

3. Are there any differences in wear-rates between our city police and county officers on this vest issue?

Bayard J. Donahoo

mansfield6 writes:

in response to AirYaGoGitErDun:

So quick to juimp, so quick to hate...

The point was, duh, that the media just throws a photo out there with no explanation, who it is, etc...

"So quick to jump, so quick to hate..." Speaking for yourself, joel? You're pretty judgemental. As for the picture, well DUH...you didn't make your point initially.

colclaude writes:

in response to Jason0074:

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To address what JAS0074 had to say this is the kinda of hate that we as black males have to deal with not everyone acts like you sir but it doesn't take many to make a problem. If you know how to read and comprehend you would know that I had said that to be pulled over or accused of something that you didn't do is a very bad feeling. I take it that you sir are a white male between the ages of 25 and 40 cause you seem enable to get it. I envy the fact that you have lived a life free of this type of b/s and don't feel as I do but don't try to judge me by what has happened to you in your life.

kantoine (Inactive) writes:

"A routine burglar alarm call Tuesday ended with a veteran Knoxville police officer being shot for the second time in his career, eight black men being taken into custody and a community being sent into lockdown."

Couldn't the writer of the article just say they have eight men in custody? For the purposes of this story, the men that are already in custody are already off the streets, therefore the color of their skin would be irrelevant to the story. We, as citizens, don't need to help in taking these eight men off the streets, therefore we don't need to know what they look like. Even at that, if the only description the writer is going to give is that the men are 'black', that doesn't really help anyone in identifying a criminal. It's more of a racially motivated blanket statement to me.

It's writers like this (that seem to be more prevalent in the South) that give the NAACP something to be angry about. For clarification, I am a white male from Detroit, MI. Have a nice day.

colclaude writes:

In response to do_what_now I know you have a point. But what isn't looked at is the feelings of the woman and if you can't do that then you are not able to understand her. Her fear is that one day her son could be doing nothing out of the way and bang he's dead cause a cop thought that his flute was a gun. Simple stuff like that is the problem in today socitey police are to quick to shot, and people of all colors are out there doing to much crime. When will all the fear and hatred stop and when can people stand on equal ground and get along instead of fighting about stuff that no single person can change. Bottom line the only one that we can change is ourselves so if you continue to do the right thing that is at least one lest person out there breaking the law. Try to understand the posted comments first before you respond please.

tnseamstress writes:

in response to knoxville_born:

I wonder why we don't see this kind of response when an average citizen is shot.

This wasn't no average citzen.

An example, when the elderly black lady was killed in her home, there was lots of action and story told...over, and over, she was an ordinary citizen.

The best to officer Rickman and family. Thanks for doing your job!

tngirl1997#328676 writes:

This is a terrible incident, anyway you look at it...anyway it's written...anyway it's reported about who was involved and what happened. Instead of debating these things or or debating each other about what everyone writes on here...maybe we could all just pray that this officer makes a full and quick recovery and for strength for his family during this time.

Farmer writes:

To Officer Rickmans Family,
I want you to know that my thoughts and prayers are with you as well as all of the other police officers. My stepdad is a trooper in Virginia. So I know kinda what you are going through. And I hope they get the 3 people who done this.

colclaude writes:

"BWarrior No surprise to me who was responsible for the shooting." Wow there is a man looking and waiting to cause more trouble than is needed,
see this is the kinda of hate that goes on in the south. Hello crime is everywhere But the lets hang em from a tree type thinking is right here in the south, Its sad I have a lot of white male and female friends and to think that you could be there uncle that kinda scares me. You just don't know who hates you for your color cause unless something like this happens you never here about it. Hell this guy may even be your boss at work does he sound like someone you want to work for. Sir you need to get down from your high horse and look at life white black yellow crime is done by all colors people are twisted and that is that. Don't look for trouble cause those who do, will find it and that's not good for anyone.

stopwhining writes:

General Nichols will just plead these guys out. Probably wind up in Judge Irvine's court - where the Defendants are just poor little lambs who've lost their way . . .

colclaude writes:

in response to Jason0074:

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JAS0074 You know what your right there are things that people have done that would get them to look at you. And that is a well thought out point. However my brother who is a policemen in one of toughest counties in tn blount.co also have told me that sometimes cops will push you and use scare tacties to make you take responsibitis for somethings that you may or may not be guilty for. And he was talking about Knoxville cops. So The only Cops that make me feel that way are KPD. And that is a bad feeling to know they are here to protect and serve but will serve you up a lot of fines and tickets that you don't deserve if you do not know the law. I have been digging and researching since those times and now am better prepared for these types of things in the future. So that is the reason I feel as I do. But you are right, about the harassment being everyones issue not just mine.

colclaude writes:

in response to bassman:

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unlike what a lot of people chose to believe I don't run to the NAACP for everything that happens in my life. I have an older brother who is a cop. And if I have issues linked to law and cops I go to him, that is what responible family members are there for. And he is the one who told me that I needed to get more educated with the law so that I wouldn't be taken advantage of. He only wished that I would have came to him with it before tring to deal with it on my on. He told me he would have told me what was right and wrong with it, right away. So no the NAACP is not my baby sitter and I don't run to them for everything. And by the way my uncle in sweetwater is a boardmember of the NAACP. And I don't run to him either. They have a good reason for being there and blacks do need people to stand up for them "WHEN THE ARE WRONGLY ACCUSED THAT IS".

Kodzwallup writes:

in response to colclaude:

In response to do_what_now I know you have a point. But what isn't looked at is the feelings of the woman and if you can't do that then you are not able to understand her. Her fear is that one day her son could be doing nothing out of the way and bang he's dead cause a cop thought that his flute was a gun. Simple stuff like that is the problem in today socitey police are to quick to shot, and people of all colors are out there doing to much crime. When will all the fear and hatred stop and when can people stand on equal ground and get along instead of fighting about stuff that no single person can change. Bottom line the only one that we can change is ourselves so if you continue to do the right thing that is at least one lest person out there breaking the law. Try to understand the posted comments first before you respond please.

About the woman who's son was stopped by the police for running into the school....
Get over it.... He wasn't arrested... He wasn't shot...
He had a reason to be running and explained himself...... nothing else happened.....end of story.
But for this woman to compare that incident to the current one is totally ridiculous ...
KPD isn't doing a blanket round-up of Black males.... that is so stupid for her to say she fears that..... what she should fear is if she has instilled good morals in her child and if her child knows right from wrong!
Too many young men, of all races are so into this hip-hop ,Gangster rap, Ghetto mentality, that parents should consider what types of music and "peer" behavior influences their children,and how their children dress, and how they show the world "who" they are. Believe it or not , if you dress like a hood rat, a thug, people (and the cops)are gonna treat you like one.
Enough said!

colclaude writes:

This was a terrible tale of a man "police man" doing his job, and getting put in a bad state of being. I hate that he got shot and I hope that he gets better. And if he does and he choses to continue this line of work someone make this officer wear his vest from now on. Cause if he is married this has to be a nightmare for his wife and kids and he need not put them through this anymore. Bless his family and I hope that it doesn't place a seed of hatred in their hearts. Cause not everyone is a dirty low life coldheart bastard with the balls to kill someone. Most people just want to live and be happy so keep that in mind. And also I hope the dirty bags get the chair and am black and I don't look at color. If it was my brother I would want the same thing. So may God Bless your family.

colclaude writes:

in response to Kodzwallup:

About the woman who's son was stopped by the police for running into the school....
Get over it.... He wasn't arrested... He wasn't shot...
He had a reason to be running and explained himself...... nothing else happened.....end of story.
But for this woman to compare that incident to the current one is totally ridiculous ...
KPD isn't doing a blanket round-up of Black males.... that is so stupid for her to say she fears that..... what she should fear is if she has instilled good morals in her child and if her child knows right from wrong!
Too many young men, of all races are so into this hip-hop ,Gangster rap, Ghetto mentality, that parents should consider what types of music and "peer" behavior influences their children,and how their children dress, and how they show the world "who" they are. Believe it or not , if you dress like a hood rat, a thug, people (and the cops)are gonna treat you like one.
Enough said!

Your right I should get over it. And I do not let my kids dress like thugs and they don't listen to that gangster rap. So how's that for good up bring but that doesn't stop the world from moving on and has nothing to do with all the teen mothers who are not doing the same for their kids. I'm 35 and have seen lots of my school mates go to jail and shot to death. So it is sad that so many parents black,white, or whatever are losing the battle at home. Thus what is the out come people doing crime with out any thoughts of the next day and what may how come out of doing it. The issues about crime start at home if you raise them right and KEEP them away from those who weren't raised right then your kids have a good chance of being better adults in the future.

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